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What's the difference between "ranting" and "whining"? This sites manifesto say's "suspicious of the horticultural industry". We have IGC's "ranting" about the way the horticultural industry is run. Isn't that a welcome change from the past?

I think many of us are tired of some of the complaining, and would rather focus on important issues. The problem is who decides what's important? When does whining cross over to "righteous indignation?" and become OK?

It's your rant. I can agree that is seems that all we hear is whining, but that's a view from inside. When you’re involved in the gardening business as you and I are, we have a narrow focus and take notice of things that most would never notice. Things become amplified, and negativity tends to catch more of our attention. I would venture to say the average gardener has no idea about the conflicts that exist in the trade.

This is something we have been dealing with. It's not just nurseries and garden centers who have this issue. Post about garden writers "selling out" and lets see what transpires. Many independent garden centers are trying to solve issues, not whining. We just don't get as much attention.

When I read this week that our major export is petroleum and refined petroleum products, I had to wonder why prices have gone up so much, and why we need fracking and a pipeline crossing many states, open to spills and attacks?

Looking to a new year of GardenRant letting me know what's going on in the rest of the country - thanks, guys.

Trey, I agree that the IGC issue is something average consumers might not know about, which is why I used the term "inside baseball." Yet--I do see a lot of the debate about IGCs and boxes, so it's part of my reality and--I feel--interesting.

Eliz,

I'm glad you brought the subject up. I am not an apologist for the trade. We've got issues, and they need to be addressed. The timing of this post is great. I look forward to a more positive vibe for the new year!

You hit the nail on the head with the last item, "more interesting annuals for shade". Amen to that, sister!

I own a garden center next to a Home Depot,1 mile from Lowe's up the street and a Super Walmart 1 mile the other way and a very low price garden center chain 3 miles right up the road. Business is awesome. I feel bad for the garden centers that have their competition that draw customers AWAY from them. Quality, service, selection, honesty,sincerity and customer relationships is how we survive and thrive. Many of my IGC friends across the country are struggling though. When that happens, and it is, there will always be some ranting. Many are trying just to survive.

Totally agree with "more interesting annuals for the shade". This is something I'm willing to pay more for. My wonderful local IGC has a few each Spring, but even they are mostly strange variations of begonias. And I didn't get there in time this Spring and ended up with the basic blah flowers for my containers. I'm so hungry for something different.

I want the gardening community to focus more on great affects we can have on drainage. Old pipe and pond systems are not effective and have tried to cover large areas as cities expanded.

Rain gardens, disconnecting roof drainage from downspouts. I will get started writing now, since the temp went down into the single digits today.

I am also going to grow some vegetables in the house. I'll keep you posted...

I'm with you. Surely the world holds more than impatiens!

Every community had a centralized urban farming

I hope most communities never get so large that they need centralized urban farming. The consequences would be dire.

Amen on separating lawn and plant supplies, especially food-producing plants. A section for beautiful plants that also feed us would be fantastic.

"It would be nice if … Every community had a centralized urban farming and community gardening office ..."

I agree, but given the state of most communities' coffers these days, empty lots & growing food on them is not going to be addressed any time soon, if ever. If only there was a way to add the retrieval of such info to the MG programs...

As for IGC v Big Box : I shop at IGCs for unique plants and tools and amendments, for organic or heirloom or handmade/artisan-made items, and for advice I can trust when I come upon a puzzle I can't solve. I shop Big Box only when the item I need is standard, ubiquitous, or ordinary.

Garden tourism : Yes, please ! More !

What's the difference between whining and ranting? As someone who works in politics, I'd say "whining" is something done by people who believe they are powerless to do anything about their problems. "Ranting" is done by people who believe they can do something about what they don't like - no matter what the odds or how long it will take - and act on that belief.

I also shop at both big boxes and (mostly) IGCs. I have to admit, if I owned an IGC I might do a little whining myself.

And on annuals, I like impatiens, but I agree more choices would be nice. However, I've had some luck trying out annuals that are supposed to be for sun but actually do reasonably well in shade.

The key to competing with big box stores is to offer superior service both at the point of sell and after the sell. You must make all customers customers for life. make them want to come back to your store.

More of the problem is focused on vendors who whore themselves to the boxes and ruin product selection and innovation at the chance to sell to 3,000 stores at once.

Remember, neither Bonnie Plants nor the boxes fessed up to the tomato blight.

The TROLL

I own an IGC and have not heard any whining about big boxes. Where did you hear this whining? I think it is important to not generalize about an entire industry of great, hard working people... maybe this happens in Buffalo? I know hundreds of IGC's across the US and Canada and none of them are whiners- they are smart, hard working people who love plants. The box retailers have devalued our products and made it difficult for many small businesses and their families... I hope that your readers will see the value to their community of supporting small business.

Hope you mean self-seeding annuals for shade.

Nothing green-eco-friendly about the annual industry. (Green houses, heating, cooling, petroleum made packaging, transportation, insecticides, fungicides, fertilizer, man-made soil, irrigation & etc.)

Garden & Be Well, XO Tara

I'm with you on most of this and dont see the relevance re hydrofracking in the garden aspect of the topic , but do take some umbrage re the "whining" comment. I am surprised to hear any garden rantster support for big brother, big box garden centers. Yes, so you can get your lumber and tupperware there, uh-huh. But ixnay the arden-gay enter-cay. The plants are often shoddy, there is no provision to minimize the sale of invasives and you can always rely on a big push to weed n' feed, pour on the fertilizer and pesti-chemicide the beejeesus out your lawn & garden. Puget Sound streams spike with chemicals every spring and methinks your big box store is a big contributor, encouraging cousin Jimmy to pour on the chemicals.

(Learn more here: http://wa.water.usgs.gov/pubs/fs/fs.097-99/fs.097-99.pdf)

So get with it GR, those of us that manage garden centers and try to do so ecologically need support here, (just as cute and sassy garden blogs do) :)

Concerning centralized offices for community farming/gardening, they exist, pretty much. Your county extension office can offer loads of help on all related questions and desires, but far too few citizens remember to access this valuable, free resource.

Concerning hydraulic fracturing/fracking: Important to note that it is a relatively new technology in progress. Recently I researched and published a lengthy article on the industry for my local daily newspaper. EPA and industry research/regulation/safeguards are quite impressive. Ensuring that the fracking process does not pose environmental hazards that would lead to its banning is obviously a primary goal of the industry. Mistakes have been made, groundwater contamination has occurred, and the industry has spent millions to correct these problems. It will take another five years, at least, before fracking can be fairly viewed as either viable or too risky.

If it is deemed too risky, it gets shut down. What bothers some is that any time is granted to improve the technology, but giving an energy technology time to prove its worthiness is not unusual.

RENEGADE GARDENER

Hi Renegade,

Thanks for replying. Unfortunately an county Extension office (at least here) has no authority to help city dwellers use vacant spaces for farming/gardening, and negotiate the permit maze. Certainly not ours--I think they may have 3 employees who manage to get a truncated master gardener program and some basic soil testing clinics together a few x a year. I think maybe in rural areas or maybe in your state Extensions are more active. It's all local, I guess!

My trip to Buffalo with the other garden bloggers in 2010 opened my eyes to the beneficial effect that gardeners and gardens can have on a city. I use our big box store, but usually not for plants or equipment. It is our two local garden/farm stores that get my business.

"Independent garden centers stopped whining about the big boxes."

Why should they? Garden centers in my area deliver what big boxes cannot. A single tomato plant from Burpee is $3 at HomeDepot while the nearby farm sells a 6-pack of healthy plants for $2.49. The farm has a huge number of varieties; they even start Sunsugar tomatoes. A nearby Agway has bins of onion sets for $4/lb where I can select the proper bulbs myself.

Annuals? Barf. Waste of money.

I love our local gardeners- the plants are a lot healthier, and as a newbie gardener they are able to give me much more info on care than any big box store could. Hopefully they dont have too much to worry about!

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